So what happens now? Do you have to have a confrontation with your neighbors or is the water company going to take care of it? Will you get a credit for water paid for but not used? Is there going to be legal action? ACK! The unanswered questions are driving me crazy!
We looked at several options and have decided to go with "business as usual". There would be, if we were moving our water line, and the neighbors were not, in fact, parasitical thugs, no reason for us to contact our neighbors. It would be weird to contact them before hand, actually, because if they truly were upstanding citizens, we could set our water line on fire and it would not affect them. (Well, except for the burn ban that's in effect until October, but barring that...)
To contact them would accomplish nothing other than to raise the ire of the ignorant (are they going to drop to their knees, beg our forgiveness and ask, "How much do we owe ya for the last two years?" Um, no.), and the law on "theft of services" is pretty much a break even proposition. There are no penalties or fines or jail time. It's simply a reprimand to pay for the actual cash amount they've benefited in this (but "no more than $500"), and absolutely no guarantee that we'd be able to recoup attorney's fees. It's only a class C misdemeanor, so they'd still get off pretty much scott-free, but would have had plenty of time in the courtroom to memorize our features, and it could result in some kind of awkward confrontation which might include the shooting of our dog.
I'll answer the water company questions all at once, at the bottom.
Wait, so the water company knows your neighbors?Will they pursue this? Will they help you at all in fixing this? Is there any way to make sure that if you dig lines again they won't tap into THOSE?Are your neighbors sucking your power too?They put barbed wire and tree stumps across *their* drive? Why? So no one could come to their house?How soon can you dig new lines?
Oh, yes. The water company knows them. The cops know them. The ladies at the corner market know them. And not in the same, friendly, affectionate manner that everybody knew little Opie in Mayberry.
They aren't sucking our power. The house is just horribly inefficient. (Although I did make a point of ascertaining that all is well when the Elec. Co. replaced our transformer earlier this summer. Never hurts to check.) :-) The driveway issue happened the day we first came to look at the place. I'll link it -- well, huh. I thought I'd blogged about that, but I can't find a link to it. I'll have to do it another time. I'll go get pictures -- it's still there. Let's just say we had to build a driveway to get onto the property in order to be able to buy it.
We're relatively certain the water lines were tapped back in 1983, when the neighbors' house was built (family property - "sure you can tie into Daddy's line"). Then, their own line was set when this house was sold to the meth-family that came before us. They most likely just have a valve somewhere so they can switch at will. I don't think they have the wherewithal to tap the line right now. And honestly, while things do grow fast around here, it still takes a good year for a ditch scar to grow over completely. It's not something they could do without our noticing.
Will ANY action be taken against them? How will you prevent it from happening again?
Well, there's no way to forestall a truly determined criminal. But we don't believe they have that in mind. This was "there", it was easy, and nobody said anything until now. Not exactly noble of them, but we aren't concerned about drunk men in ski caps tripping through the poison ivy in the dead of night to tie back into our line. Not at the moment, anyway. And, like I mentioned, the State's coverage of this charge isn't worth pursuing, which really, why bother with legislation at that point? (OK, mostly. But still, pffft.)
The word 'prosecution' has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?
*sigh* It does. Too bad the punishment isn't a punishment. I'd demand more of my seven year old in the way of setting things right than the law does of full-grown adults for theft. That is, perhaps, the most disappointing development in this whole case.
I guess the best thing to do is take that family off as dependents on your income tax :)
Now that is a fantastic idea! I like the way you think!
I'd also give a call to the water company and make SURE they are going to pursue action on this. Consider the Water Co's usual scumbag corporate position on this ... as far as they know, your water-grifters are a bunch of scumbag hillbillies who couldn't actually pay for their water, so the Water Co. may be quite content to let sleeping dogs lie since YOU are actually paying for it.
OK, the water, the water company, and so forth. Here's the skinny.
The Water Company is not responsible for this, and that's not some "scumbag corporate position". It's the logical conclusion, and the only right conclusion, intellectually, ethically, and legally. We contract with the water company to deliver water *to our property*. They run the main, they provide the meter. At that point, they've brought us water. It's on our property. The laying, maintenance, and use of the water line from the meter to its end, is our responsibility, just as it is with everything else that is on our property. What we do, or do not do, with that water, once it has been delivered, is up to us. It's ours. We've paid for it. The water company has fulfilled its contractual obligation to us by delivering said water to our property. The amount billed is based on the amount that passes through the meter (or, more directly, from their hands, to ours, at that junction).
A wonderful example is that if we were to come home and find our neighbors have broken into our home and hooked a hose up to our faucet and are stealing our water that way, we wouldn't expect the water company to do anything. That's our home, our faucet, and our water, on our property. It's not the water company's responsibility. Well, whether the water is taken from our faucet or from our water line makes no difference; it's on our property. That's not their responsibility -- it's ours. And the neighbor did not steal from them (it would be a different situation entirely if the neighbors had tapped into the main, which IS the water company's responsibility); they stole from us, so the issue is to be settled between us and the neighbors.
If someone steals from my garden, I'm not going to expect the feed store to replace the seeds. If someone steals from my closet, I'm not going to expect the thrift store to replace my clothing. If somebody comes into my drive and siphons out my tank, I'm not going down to Gina's to demand that she refill it for free. Private ownership of property is something we value very highly, and we do not expect anybody, particularly any business, to maintain liability for the use or abuse of their products once those products are in our possession.
The only reasonable thing that could be asked of the water company would be that they provide documentation that the line at the neighbors' address has been inactive, and the dates during which it has been inactive. Likewise, if one wanted to pursue the case in court, the Postal Service and the Electric Company both could be called upon to testify whether that home has been receiving mail or power, respectively, at that address during the same period of water utility inactivity. I have no doubt that they would gladly provide that information. Beyond that, I have no right to ask anything more of them. They have a job to do and they did it.
Conversely, we have a job to do, and we did not do it. If there must be finger pointing (beyond at the neighbors for stealing in the first place -- I think we all agree they are at fault on their end), we would have to admit that we've dropped the ball on maintaining our water line's integrity and being proactive about investigating the water use. We could have stopped this sooner had we done so. That responsibility lies entirely on us, and while we do not hold ourselves culpable for premeditated theft, we couldn't look to a company that did provide what it was contracted to provide without first looking very closely at ourselves. Due diligence -- it's not just a comfortable phrase to throw around, it's an important thing to practice daily. We've learned our lesson. The hard way.
Zorak and I have NO beef whatsoever with the water company.
And so, hopefully, this will soon come to a quiet, if awkward end. We can move forward into autumn and winter and all the fun that that brings (and hey - at least this winter the pipes will be properly insulated and won't freeze when we have a snap frost I didn't see coming! Yesssss!)
Kiss those babies!
~Dy
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I'm still confused....so are YOU going to have to continue to pay HUGE water bills? How will you get around that?
So, can you just calmly and quietly cut off their water and end it all? I guess they will figure out that you've caught them and be forced to turn theirs back on, even if you don't choose to "prosecute." Or will it involve much digging of the ground and more expense on your end?
Wow Dy, you sound like an...adult. I'm impressed with how you're handling this - it is the sort of thing where it would be oh so easy to just get spitting mad and lash out at everyone - and it says a lot about your character that you're not.
I'm sorry that this happened, and that the legal system's justice in this matter isn't more, well, just. Maybe you could contact your legislator and talk to him/her about fixing that particular set of laws?
You are a very smart pair. I think you are right on!
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mere
pensguys, no, we'll be laying a new water line, abandoning the old line, and tying our new line onto our meter. We'll have this last bill (read on the 17th, I think) to pay, and about half of this current billing period with the current situation, but the following bill will, hopefully, reflect our sole usage. :-)
scmom, it'll involve digging and laying, but the switchover will be a quiet affair. We have friends who said they may have a ditchwitch we can borrow, which would be an enormous blessing!
emily, LOL -- thanks, but oh, we were spitting mad. That's why we knew we'd need to wallow in a few well-placed fantasies, get it out of our systems, then calm down before we made a decision. You don't want to make big decisions based on emotional knee-jerk reactions. (Well, I don't -- I've done it before, and it seldom goes well. *grin*)
mere -- oh, yay!!! I'm off to see it, now. :-)
Dy
you cant keep your original water line adn just cut off their spigot? lol
You're right. You're right. I know you're right.
(Applause for you if you know what movie that comes from.)
How disappointing that the penalties for this are so lacking.
And as much fun as those fantasies are, you're right. You have to live next door to these people, well, forever. And you *don't* want to make enemies in a small town. :)
So are you expecting them to *not* come over and question you when you lay new lines and cut them off? They probably won't, but I'd still be nervous.
Hmmm... so is this your project for this weekend? You will take photos, right? :)
Since the consequences for them are so absurdly minimal, I think you are very sensible to avoid any confrontation or discussion with them. I hope the ditch witch comes through -- that would have to be a cost saver!
Unless the drought ends soon, you will at least have the small satisfaction of watching their green lawn turn to the same color as yours!
I would still get the documentation from the water, electric, and postal offices that you mentioned, just to have it on hand if any *more* surprises come your way. You may need it someday.
Although I do like the idea of taking a trip and having the water turned off for a spell.
If you do get the data, how much water went through your pipes when you-all were off climbing rocks with nifty cousins and such out elsewhere? You were gone for a nice chunk of time then.
Wow. What a story! And what conclusion! I am just left shaking my head... both at the gall of those people, and at the grace you are extending.
I am very impressed by your self-control in quietly moving your water lines and leaving the rest at rest. But I can see by what you've written that it wouldn't do any good anyway, so it is the better choice. Doesn't it stink to have to be the grown-up? ;)
Good luck with the whole thing. Hopefully they will just let it come to a quiet end.
shannon - I wish we could. Well, we could, but that would mean we'd have to hand-dig the entire several hundred yards of our line to find the tie-in. Yuck. we're laying new line b/c it's hot and we're essentially lazy, if I'm being honest.
hillary - When Harry Met Sally! I use that phrase... a LOT! LOL!
If they do come over, they'll have to be pretty penitent. At the least, respectfully toned. They won't have cause or, more importanly, backup for fireworks. Plus, they'll be on OUR property, then. This plays out differently with them on our property than it would with us on theirs.
melora - LOL! I hadn't thought of that! That'll be kind of fun.
Heidi - we were gone for 18 days, and during the billing period that included those days in the rocks, 3800 gallons passed through our meter. How much of it passed through during the actual vacation, I don't know, but it was the lowest reading we've had since last June, and it still seems awfully high.
Oh, it'll feel good to put this one to bed!
Dy
Such DRAMA! This whole thing has to have been tremendously frustrating; you come across as incredibly SANE about the whole thing. Kudos to you!
I'm so glad that you have an end in sight with this problem!
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